Secrets of the Garou: Card Notes

Like we said on the main page, here's the stuff about particular cards. The source of the info (well, a source of the info, anyway) is given; but these aren't direct quotes--they're often pretty heavily paraphrased, in the interests of making 'em easier to read, or just in the interest of keeping this file below a zillion pages. So if something listed here is wrong, it may be our fault; let us know and we'll get right on it.

Card Notes

Call for Power

The "Long Event" is a typesetting error; this is not a long event. It is discarded immediately. [Ed Bolme, 11/23/98]

Chameleon Spirit

The Spirit's ability is only played once the challenge is accepted, not when it's made. So, for example, if the Spirit has a 'cannot refuse challenges' effect on it, it can accept the challenge, then substitute another of your Garou; but it cannot pass the challenge onto another Garou, then have that Garou refuse the challenge. [Ed Bolme, 11/2/98]

Clarissa Smoothtongue

Clarissa's breed-form ability ('Target Garou may not vote in a Moot called by Clarissa this turn') may be played before calling the Moot in question. For that matter, it can be used even if you have no plans for calling a Moot with Clarissa this turn (to keep your opponent guessing). [Matt Farney, 11/2/98]

Counting Coup

We never expected this card to cause so much trouble. Here's the revised ruling: The player targets one of their Wendigo (the Hunter) and another player's Garou (the Prey). Both players discard cards from the top of their Combat deck until they get to card that could be legally played in the first round of combat. Resolve the cards as though this were a round of combat. The characters playing the cards do not have to meet the Rage costs of the cards. Even Marko Mudspeaker can Crush somebody with the element of surprise at his disposal. [FAQ, 10/5/98]
Yes, if one of the two Garou kills the other, Renown is scored for the kill as normal. [Lon Franson, 10/7/98]
Even though the cards are played as though it were a round of combat, this is not an actual combat. So, for example, if used on a regenerating character, it doesn't pull the character out of regeneration. [Lou Franson, 11/4/98]

Crick Rumwrangler

Modify the text "Combat (In)" to read "Pre-Combat (In)." [Phase 4 Rulebook]
For the purpose of Crick's ability, treat any cards with "X" costs as if they had a cost of 0. [Matt Farney, 11/1/98]

Devin Silent Walker

When using Devin's ability, if the card you discard has a cost of "X", you gain no Rage. [Matt Farney, 11/1/98]

Disquiet

Add the text "Requires: Homid". [FAQ, 10/5/98]

Dugal Steady-Hand

Dugal's ability lets you start the game with a Tattoo in place. It does not let you start the game with an illegal deck or an illegal set of shapeshifters--everything has to be legal, before using Dugal to put the Tattoo in place. So, for example, if you play a Red Talon deck and include a Wendigo Garou, you have to pay the Renown penalty for doing that, even if you use Dugal to slap a Red Talon Tattoo on there. [Lon Franson, 10/28/98]

Eilif the White

If you use Eilif to place a Gift on an opponent's Garou, that opponent now controls the Gift, not you. (You still own it.) [Matt Farney, 10/15/98]
Eilif only ignores the "Requires: X" text. Gnosis must still be available to attach the Gift. [FAQ, 10/5/98]
Actually, Eilif ignores everything other than the Gnosis requirement. For example, you can slap non-Metis Gifts on Boris with reckless abandon. [Matt Farney, 11/1/98]

Elemental Gift

Modify the Gnosis cost to 1. X, if undefined, is 1, right? ;-) [FAQ, 10/5/98]

Flip

This card is listed on some Rage card lists as "Roll Over". There is no "Roll Over" card. There is no need to scour the earth looking for one to complete your set. :-) [Ed Bolme, 11/17/98]

Get of Fenris

A player with an empty Sept hand may still decline a Get of Fenris challenge. (A player cannot pay a cost of "discard a card" if they don't have a card; but "discard your hand" can always be done, even if your hand is empty.) [Ed Bolme, 11/13/98]

Gilliam Fangs-First

What the card text really means is "Garou that are not in the Get of Fenris suffer a -1 Renown penalty..." If a Garou is a member of the Get as well as another tribe--for example, a Garou with a Get of Fenris Tattoo, or a Silent Strider using Tongues--then that Garou does not suffer the penalty. [Matt Farney, 11/1/98]
Gilliam can't use combat cards with a base Rage of 0; remember that "base Rage" means "the printed Rage value, before any modifications." Effects like Might of Thor and Storm Crow Spirit have no unusual effect on Gilliam. [Matt Farney, 11/1/98]

Gordon Goffe

You may play Gordon's ability before calling the Moot it will 'protect'. For that matter, you may play Gordon's ability even if you have no plans of calling a Moot this turn at all, to throw the opponent off-guard, or to get rid of an unwanted card. [Matt Farney, 11/1/98]

Gutbuster

This card can be used even when you are fighting an Enemy/Victim, rather than an opposing Garou; it forces the player playing for the Enemy/Victim to discard. Likewise, that player can play Gutbuster and force you to discard. [Ed Bolme, 10/19/98]

Lunchtime!

Lunchtime! only prevents its damage from being blocked by Rage 1 combat cards; other effects of those cards, if appropriate, will still apply. For example, if a Roll with the Blow is played against Lunchtime!, the unfortunate defender will wind up taking 8 damage; the Roll with the Blow won't block any of the Lunchtime!'s 4 damage, and the Roll's doubling will still apply. [Kickaha Ota, 10/19/98]

Primal Combat

Primal Combat should read "No more Combat events can be used this turn by any character." [Phase 4 Rulebook]

Roll Over

There is no such card. See Flip for details.

Root Beer Charlie

Like the ability says, if your opponent picks a card with the named cost, he has to discard the extra card then and there; he doesn't get to wait until the card is revealed. So he's telegraphing the fact that he's playing a card with that cost; if he's on the initiative, you get the benefit of that information when choosing your defense card. [Matt Farney, 11/1/98]
The discard is a cost of playing a card with the chosen cost. If your opponent has an empty Sept hand, he may not legally play cards with the chosen cost. [Ed Bolme, 11/13/98]

Spirits' Aide

Spirits' Aide as written doesn't work, since Insight only comes into play before Pre-Combat events are played. It should read "Pre-Combat (Out): Target Spirit combatant draws a combat card, then discards a combat card. You cannot use this if the Umbra level is 4 or 5." [Ed Bolme and Kickaha Ota, 11/23/98]

Strike and Fade

The benefit can only be used if the opponent actually passed last round. If the opponent lost or gave up the initiative for some other reason--Lupine Fury!, Speed of the Wild, etc.--then the benefit does not apply. [Kickaha Ota, 10/19/98]

The Blessing of Freya

Yes, you can target a card that is regenerating. This does not set it upright under the current rules, but we will consider making that change. [Ed Bolme, 11/4/98]

Torvald the Unstoppable

Torvald's 'Once per turn, gain 2 Rage' combat ability only lasts until the end of that combat; combat events' effects do not normally last beyond the current combat, and Rage gains and losses during combat are usually temporary. [Mailing list discussion, 11/2/98]

Trade Favors

Trade Favors is very unusual in that its effect spans two turns. It can be cancelled during the second turn, by Sight from Beyond or similar effects; this will allow your Garou to call and vote on Moots during the second turn. [Matt Farney, 11/1/98]

Trixie Hill

This ability only applies to voluntary shifts to Crinos; mandatory shifts due to lethal damage are still free. [Matt Farney, 11/1/98]

Wicked Counter

The original card text is phrased as if Wicked Counter always does damage. This is not the case; it only does damage (and blocks damage) if the opponent played a Rage 3 or higher Combat card. The errata'ed text makes this clearer. [Phase 4 Rulebook]

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